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I'm a very lucky Tiger builder who packed in the day job a few years ago with a shed next to my house. I bought the kit about 4 years ago and generally try to spend time on the build every day; however limited the progress. The build is immensely enjoyable but given my speed of construction I don't have the prospect of immediate summer drivability but I wish all those who do a speedy access to the open countryside!

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So good you’re keeping busy and great you can tinker at home.
You could turn it into a Tiger trailer for now and when this lockdown lifts, get a mate to pull you around in it. All the pleasure of tiger ownership this summer without actually having to have it finished. 😁
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I like it! I have just mentioned your suggestion to my beloved and the response was not favourable as neither of us has the energy we once possessed. To be fair, disappearing to my shed has never been a bone of contention, however on the other hand “being underfoot and getting in the way” has always tended to be in my favour.

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I like it! I have just mentioned your suggestion to my beloved and the response was not favourable as neither of us has the energy we once possessed. To be fair, disappearing to my shed has never been a bone of contention, however on the other hand “being underfoot and getting in the way” has always tended to be in my favour.

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😆 Love it.

I’m looking forward to seeing that Tiger progress!
So glad I can retreat to the garage to tinker, it’s certainly made all this a lot easier that’s for sure. I feel for those with cars stuck in lockup’s they aren’t allowed to drive to.
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The present situation is not good for anyone, I hope that everyone comes through this epidemic safely but I'm afraid it's going to be a long haul and “getting back to normal” is a long way down the road. Just owning a Tiger has to be some cause for hope!  I'll post a photo when a milestone is achieved, trouble is they are more like yardstones (metre pierres(?) in new money).

Good Luck to everyone. 

 

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Keep the build pic's coming - looks a nice build 😉

Show us some more of the handy work!

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I've posted some photos under "Build Links" (Rare White Tiger) as it's probably a more appropriate heading.

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Mark,
Thank you for your kind words, my photographic abilities aren't that bright, I've posted a few and I'll try to post some more as I progress with the build.  In my defence, when considering the time it has taken, I rebuilt a small tractor last year but it's no excuse I know! (photo attached) but nevertheless time has passed!

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Nice and slightly different to the current project!!
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 ......I rebuilt a small tractor last year........

What a little gem. I've always hankered after a Fergy T20 but that little 154 ((Ferguson designed?) would certainly tempt me. OK, I haven't got the space as yet and I don't need a tractor - but there again neither do I need a draughty, noisy, smelly, frankly uncomfortable sports car reflecting 1950's design ethos. Love comes in many forms.

Anyway, mustn't stray too far off (Tiger) topic. Current build looks lovely too!

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I think there was some input from the Ferguson design group which was related to the steering column but I can't be sure about that. The 154 was built in Bathgate using BMC technology and is much smaller than the Grey Fergy. I bought it years ago and used it until it “died” and rebuilt it recently because I needed something to hang some basic implements on.

Like the earlier Series LR I rebuilt which I use as a "daily driver" and all of the cars I messed about with as a youngster they were based on, in my case, 50's / 60's BMC technology. This was the reason I bought the Tiger as I wanted to understand a lot more about modern engine management systems. I agree the “7” vehicles have long heritage but engine management has definitely come a long way since then.

My Tiger came with an Omex ECU and offers a good way, for me, to get my hands on and hopefully gain some basisc understanding of more modern engine management. I'm looking forward to plugging into the engine communication link socket!

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Mark,
Thank you for your kind words, my photographic abilities aren't that bright, I've posted a few and I'll try to post some more as I progress with the build.  In my defence, when considering the time it has taken, I rebuilt a small tractor last year but it's no excuse I know! (photo attached) but nevertheless time has passed!


That’s lovely! A friend of mine like to rebuild tractors too 👌
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I actually 'graduated' to BMC 'A' & 'B' series engines having been grounded in Ford, Austin & Morris side valves. I'm not really advancing my knowledge of modern engines by retaining the Pinto, too old school - both it and me!

However, in anticipation of someday going Megajolt or whatever I have kept an old Windows 7 laptop with a serial port for playing around with mapping.

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The pinto may be old school but mine is very quick and performs well in each gear and is great fun. At least if I have a problem it is not hard to diagnose. no plug in reader and all that code nonsense, its those 2 old checking routines, check for fuel. check for spark.
To start from cold, pump the pedal 2/3 times then turn the key. hey presto.
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I actually 'graduated' to BMC 'A' & 'B' series engines having been grounded in Ford, Austin & Morris side valves. I'm not really advancing my knowledge of modern engines by retaining the Pinto, too old school - both it and me!

However, in anticipation of someday going Megajolt or whatever I have kept an old Windows 7 laptop with a serial port for playing around with mapping.

Michael.


One of the things I really like about this forum is older guys with masses of experience still building stuff, it’s so inspiring. I bought my Tiger from a guy who told me that it belonged to his his dad who was in his late seventies, in all honesty I didn’t believe him.... until I came here. 🤩🤩🤩
I love the pinto engine, there’s something nostalgic about Old school, it brings back such good memories pulling my Mk1 escort apart wanting to know how everything worked, equipped with a crappy tool kit and a grubby oily Haynes manual 😄
That said I’m seriously thinking about upgrading as mine seems to run out of steam at 65 mph 😴
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One of the things I really like about this forum is older guys with masses of experience still building stuff, it’s so inspiring. I bought my Tiger from a guy who told me that it belonged to his his dad who was in his late seventies, in all honesty I didn’t believe him.... until I came here. 🤩🤩🤩
I love the pinto engine, there’s something nostalgic about Old school, it brings back such good memories pulling my Mk1 escort apart wanting to know how everything worked, equipped with a crappy tool kit and a grubby oily Haynes manual 😄
That said I’m seriously thinking about upgrading as mine seems to run out of steam at 65 mph 😴


Should fly really as the car the engine/running gear came out of a lot heavier car !

Mine runs the best at 60 and above with lots of grunt over this to over take etc. Has been known to do 90 . I am on twin 40 dellorto's and been on the rollers to be set up by a local pinto tuner who does all the stock car lads.

Before I had doors passengers found it hard to breath above 60 though so only run out with out them solo.


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Should fly really as the car the engine/running gear came out of a lot heavier car !

Mine runs the best at 60 and above with lots of grunt over this to over take etc. Has been known to do 90 . I am on twin 40 dellorto's and been on the rollers to be set up by a local pinto tuner who does all the stock car lads.

Before I had doors passengers found it hard to breath above 60 though so only run out with out them solo.



I have a single carb on mine, maybe twin carbs is the way forward with a rolling road session?
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65 mph - really? Mine is still pulling progressively through 80+ and will go on to max at around the ton mark. This is with a standard screen and measurements are via GPS speedo.

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65 mph - really? Mine is still pulling progressively through 80+ and will go on to max at around the ton mark. This is with a standard screen and measurements are via GPS speedo.

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That’s impressive.
Hmmm!! Something’s not quite right it seems! Mine runs nicely but I think I could use a rolling road session. I had zero history with the car. The pinto does have a Kent fast road cam and vernier pulley. It did have a 38 Dgas carb but this was all rusted up so purchased a 32/36 progressive Weber at the recommendation of a rolling road guy. Compression is ok but the bores look scored in some spots. I’ll have to have the head off at some point for a good look.
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65 mph - really? Mine is still pulling progressively through 80+ and will go on to max at around the ton mark. This is with a standard screen and measurements are via GPS speedo.

Michael.

What carb is on yours Michael?
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I bought my carbs from a guy who had them on his Cat that he thought needed 45's. He fitted the bigger carbs but did not improve it and found someone had fitted incorrect pistons. When I picked them up they were fresh off the car and still had fuel in them.
I had 40 webers on my 2nd build but I find these are smoother through the rev range, more progressive.
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As per footer - mine has twin 45 DCOEs with Piper cam. Can't see that marks in the bores would cause much power loss if compression is OK and consistent across all cylinders. The downdraft carb is a bit of a 'strangler' and wouldn't allow the Kent cam to be optimised.

Silly thing I know but is the speedo reading accurately? Is it mechanical or electronic?

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As per footer - mine has twin 45 DCOEs with Piper cam. Can't see that marks in the bores would cause much power loss if compression is OK and consistent across all cylinders. The downdraft carb is a bit of a 'strangler' and wouldn't allow the Kent cam to be optimised.

Silly thing I know but is the speedo reading accurately? Is it mechanical or electronic?

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Speedo is pretty good, I also used a gps app on my phone to cross reference. I have 14” wheels, that can’t help I guess. compression is ok across all four cylinders. There is some pinging at higher speed which I know is pre-ignition but I couldn’t seem to lose that however I timed it up and wondered if my timing advance was out. I could probably do with some help with this so maybe I should start a new thread! 😁
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Hi abe.
Only got my cat in nov last year so not had it out on a clear road yet, but initial runs round the block all seems well after a little tuning. Stock pinto engine with twin 40's and 4 branch exhaust.
My last car tho was a robin hood with a pinto.
I bought it with a 1.8 pinto which was rubbish as these are lower compression with really heavy flywheel. I binned this one and fitted a 2ltr i bought for 50quid off a mate. Fitted a lightweight flywheel but retained the 32/36 carb this ran really well and would pull nicely all the way up to 100 and then just would pull through it anymore. I then fitted a new exhaust system to include a 4branch. This made a noticable difference but still never went past 100mph mark. I was running 15inch wheels on that one. So in short there must be more to have from yours. I've got a zetec on a type 9 box I've always planned to put in a kit car, but the cat is so well built and has some nice history I'd like to keep it as original as possible. So a big thumbs up from me for the pinto. 👍👍👍👍👍👍
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Hi abe.
Only got my cat in nov last year so not had it out on a clear road yet, but initial runs round the block all seems well after a little tuning. Stock pinto engine with twin 40's and 4 branch exhaust.
My last car tho was a robin hood with a pinto.
I bought it with a 1.8 pinto which was rubbish as these are lower compression with really heavy flywheel. I binned this one and fitted a 2ltr i bought for 50quid off a mate. Fitted a lightweight flywheel but retained the 32/36 carb this ran really well and would pull nicely all the way up to 100 and then just would pull through it anymore. I then fitted a new exhaust system to include a 4branch. This made a noticable difference but still never went past 100mph mark. I was running 15inch wheels on that one. So in short there must be more to have from yours. I've got a zetec on a type 9 box I've always planned to put in a kit car, but the cat is so well built and has some nice history I'd like to keep it as original as possible. So a big thumbs up from me for the pinto. 👍👍👍👍👍👍


Nice info thanks mate 😊👌 what ignition are you using and have you got the vacuum advance plumbed into the dizzy?
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