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rich_southways

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Hi all!

Had to create a new user and login as the original SSC one seems to have stopped working, but it's us here at Southways. You know, the guys who own the Cat rights but never seem to have time to do anything with them!

Well, I'm pleased to say that we've got some of our ducks in a row, and are now in a position to plough on. The car is still out of production, but I've got some big plans up my sleeve that cater for the existing cars, because as far as I'm concerned, that's the sensible area to pitch our efforts.

One of the things on our to-do list for 2020, was to (finally) create the official Cat register. Plenty of classic and specialist car clubs have a registery of all known cars, and we felt the Cat should be no different.

The register is being created and managed by us. There's no marketing, sales, contact with you of any kind (unless you request it). It's purely to get numbers from an enthusiast's point of view. And because I'm curious as to just how many are out there!

The database isn't visible to anyone else except me. I won't be sharing the info of a 3rd party on it either, so please don't ask for Ken who owns the red XL's address because you lost his number! I can't give it to you, because of GDPR, and the law....and stuff.

Here's a link to an online submission form:

https://forms.gle/PsqKg2k3TAMPB7Du5

So, join in, officially record your P&J, and let's see just how many Cats are actually out there!


Thanks!







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Rich, the black top Zetec isn't on your form, but I know there are quite a few black tops around.
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I think the register is a great idea but why not try to make it a public record for registered owners if we all agreed to it? I wouldn’t have any objection to having say my email address and county viewable to other owners and I can see lots of benefits for us all so long as we were registered users of the site then not just your company would benefit.

I will still register though even in this format as I feel somebody needs to have the info

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Rich, the black top Zetec isn't on your form, but I know there are quite a few black tops around.


Ah, thanks! That's amended now. It was on there originally, but I must have sat on the keyboard or something [confused][biggrin]

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I think the register is a great idea but why not try to make it a public record for registered owners if we all agreed to it? I wouldn’t have any objection to having say my email address and county viewable to other owners and I can see lots of benefits for us all so long as we were registered users of the site then not just your company would benefit.

I will still register though even in this format as I feel somebody needs to have the info


Thanks, George.

In an ideal world, I agree with you entirely. However....GDPR [frown]

But at least this way, there is at least some kind of record.

Thanks!

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I'm not sure there is a GDPR issue as long as consent is clearly given to use the information in the way described by Dord?  Might take a little more research to cross the t's and dot the i's but GDPR doesn't stop information being shared.  I also appreciate that it would take more effort to manage because if the list is public there must be a way of removing yourself from it.  However, the first of the Government's seven golden rules relating to GDPR:

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1. Remember that the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR), Data Protection Act 2018 and human rights law are not barriers to justified information sharing, but provide a framework to ensure that personal information about living individuals is shared appropriately.


Advice is available here: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/721581/Information_sharing_advice_practitioners_safeguarding_services.pdf

Although I drive a Super Six, which I'm not sure you are after, I'd happily consent to the more open format.  I couldn't see the benefit to me or the community in the way it was proposed.

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I think you've got a great idea and not wanting to come across as a 'smart arse' it's easy to comply with the Data Protection Act.

We have recently completed the arduous task of registering with the Charity Commission and had to have a Privacy Policy for our website.

Write your Privacy Policy stating that any information submitted will only be used for the benefit of other subscribers to your list and that completing the form and submitting the information is acknowledgement and agreement with the policy. Also state that the information will not be disseminated to third parties etc. etc.

That way all Cat and wide-arsed Supercat owners can easily communicate.

Anyway enough of that, I'm submitting info on mine.

Wide-arsed Rob[biggrin]
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Great effort Rich, duly completed![thumb]

Only observation, can you get the date into UK mode i.e. DD/MM/YYYY ?

took a dullard like me ages to work that one out!![confused][rolleyes][wink]
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I'm not sure there is a GDPR issue as long as consent is clearly given to use the information in the way described by Dord?  Might take a little more research to cross the t's and dot the i's but GDPR doesn't stop information being shared.  I also appreciate that it would take more effort to manage because if the list is public there must be a way of removing yourself from it.  However, the first of the Government's seven golden rules relating to GDPR:



Advice is available here: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/721581/Information_sharing_advice_practitioners_safeguarding_services.pdf

Although I drive a Super Six, which I'm not sure you are after, I'd happily consent to the more open format.  I couldn't see the benefit to me or the community in the way it was proposed.


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I think you've got a great idea and not wanting to come across as a 'smart arse' it's easy to comply with the Data Protection Act.

We have recently completed the arduous task of registering with the Charity Commission and had to have a Privacy Policy for our website.

Write your Privacy Policy stating that any information submitted will only be used for the benefit of other subscribers to your list and that completing the form and submitting the information is acknowledgement and agreement with the policy. Also state that the information will not be disseminated to third parties etc. etc.

That way all Cat and wide-arsed Supercat owners can easily communicate.

Anyway enough of that, I'm submitting info on mine.

Wide-arsed Rob[biggrin]


Thanks guys. It looks like there may be an avenue to share some of the information, at least? Because of the small numbers involved, I could probably produce a second sheet which automatically updates with the main register, but only reveals certain details? I'd have to have written permission from anyone on the database to share that info (and could easily omit those details from a search). The sheet could also be password protected.

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Great effort Rich, duly completed![thumb]

Only observation, can you get the date into UK mode i.e. DD/MM/YYYY ?

took a dullard like me ages to work that one out!![confused][rolleyes][wink]


Bloody Google, innit?! I'll see if I can change it. To compound matters, the format it updates the database in is different again!




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Oh, I've learned something already, which I thought I'd share with you all.

If you try to track numbers of cars on the road, or SORN...forget it. Pretty much EVERY SINGLE CAR is registered as something different! Only one Cat E1, so far, is correctly registered as a 'Tiger Racing Cat E1'!


All good fun [biggrin]




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Not entirely sure why i would give you all this information as I don't know what security is in place to keep it safe or what it may or could be used for in the future regardless of good intentions
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Not entirely sure why i would give you all this information as I don't know what security is in place to keep it safe or what it may or could be used for in the future regardless of good intentions


Ah, well you see it's kept in the Welsh town of Rhayader, in a bunker made from obsidian. The entrance to it is guarded by a pigeon, armed with an unlicensed Uzi.

The only person who can access the vault is my brother, George Agdgdgwngo.

Totally safe [wink]


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According to the V5 documents, both mine and my brothers cars are registered as:
    Make: Tiger Super Cat
    Model:

However, the SVA applications and the V55/5 registration documents were completed as:
    Make: Tiger
    Model: Super Cat
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Ah, well you see it's kept in the Welsh town of Rhayader, in a bunker made from obsidian. The entrance to it is guarded by a pigeon, armed with an unlicensed Uzi.

The only person who can access the vault is my brother, George Agdgdgwngo.

Totally safe [wink]


Blimey with the money your making I thought the pigeon could afford the Licensed Uzi lol [biggrin]
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Blimey with the money your making I thought the pigeon could afford the Licensed Uzi lol [biggrin]


Ha! We're lucky to afford the Pigeon, let alone the licence for its weapons [wink]

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UPDATE:

Thanks to everyone who has participated this far! We're building quite a nice little database of Cats now, and though the numbers are understandably small, we're starting to see patterns emerging.

In response to making some of the info public, I've found a way to do this, which is by publishing graphs. These leave out the personal details, and only give the numerical results (i.e. how many Zetec vs. Pinto cars there are, or the earliest/latest registered car).
I can only include cars that people have ticked 'Yes' to, in the box that asks if you're willing to have your info used for that kind of thing (looking at it, nobody has clicked 'No'), but some people have witheld their registration or VIN details (presumably for the pigeon-related reasons above), so I won't be able to include any entries that don't have all the data in place (for example, date of first registration).

When I've got enough data, I'll start publishing live graphs and charts, and post the link here so you can view them as they're updated.

Thanks

Rich


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Just curious what about cars that use other engines such as the 4age, motorbike or V8's
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Register update:

Starting to get some numbers now, and that means there is now enough data to start producing some reports that you can all read.

To that end, here is the current makeup of engines in the register:

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Pintos still way out in front!

Cheers [1f603]




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Hi I’ve got a supercat and running a silver top
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